Climatology of estimated LWC and scaling factor for warm clouds using radar &ndash; microwave radiometer synergy

Vishwakarma, Pragya; Delanoë, Julien; Jorquera, Susana; Martinet, Pauline; Burnet, Frederic; Bell, Alistair; Dupont, Jean-Charles

doi:https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2022-3

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31 Jan 2022

Status: a revised version of this preprint was accepted for the journal AMT and is expected to appear here in due course.

Climatology of estimated LWC and scaling factor for warm clouds using radar – microwave radiometer synergy

Pragya Vishwakarma¹, Julien Delanoë¹, Susana Jorquera¹, Pauline Martinet², Frederic Burnet², Alistair Bell², and Jean-Charles Dupont³ Pragya Vishwakarma et al.

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¹LATMOS, IPSL, UVSQ Université Paris-Saclay, Guyancourt, France
²CNRM, Université de Toulouse, Météo-France, CNRS, Toulouse, France
³LMD, IPSL, École Polytechnique, Palaiseau, France

Received: 04 Jan 2022 – Discussion started: 31 Jan 2022

Abstract. Cloud radars are capable of providing continuous high-resolution observations of the cloud. These observations are related to the microphysical properties of clouds. Power law relations in the form of Z = a · LWC^b are generally used to estimate liquid water content (LWC) profiles. The constants a and b from the power-law relation vary with the cloud type and cloud characteristics. Due to the variety of such parameterizations, selecting the most appropriate Z-LWC relation for a continuous cloud system is complicated. Additional information such as Liquid water path (LWP) from a co-located microwave radiometer is used to scale the LWC of the cloud profile. An algorithm for estimating the LWC of warm clouds using radar-microwave radiometer synergy in a variational framework is presented. This method also accounts for attenuation due to cloud droplets and retrieves a suitable scaling factor (lna) of the profile in addition to the LWC. The optimal estimation techniques incorporate a priori information of desired variables, and the forward model converts these variables into observation parameters. In this algorithm formulation, the measure of uncertainty in observations, forward model and, a priori acts as weights in the retrieved quantities. These uncertainties in the retrieval are analyzed in the sensitivity analysis of the algorithm. The retrieval algorithm is first tested on a synthetic profile for different perturbations in sensitivity parameters. The sensitivity study has shown that this method is susceptible to LWP information. The algorithm is then implemented to various cloud and fog cases at SIRTA observatory to estimate LWC and the scaling factor. The scaling factor changes for each cloud profile, and the range of lna are consistent with suggested values in literature. The validation of such an algorithm is challenging, as we need reference measurements of LWC co-located with the retrieved values. During the SOFOG-3D campaign (South-West of France, October 2019 to March 2020), in-situ measurements of LWC were collected in the vicinity of a cloud radar and a microwave radiometer, allowing comparison of retrieved and measured LWC. The comparison demonstrated that the cloud-fog heterogeneity was playing a key role in the assessment.

The proposed synergistic retrieval algorithm is applied to 39 cloud and fog cases at SIRTA, and the behavior of the scaling factor is studied. This statistical analysis of scaling is carried out to develop a radar-only retrieval method. The climatology revealed that the scaling factor can be linked to the maximum reflectivity of the profile. From climatology, the statistical relations for scaling factor are proposed for fog and cloud. Thanks to the variational framework, a stand-alone radar version of the algorithm is adapted from the synergistic retrieval algorithm, which incorporates the climatology of scaling factor as a priori information to estimate the LWC of warm cloud. This method allows the LWC estimation using only radar reflectivity and climatology of scaling factor.

Pragya Vishwakarma et al.

Status: closed

RC1:
'Comment on amt-2022-3', Anonymous Referee #1, 30 May 2022

This paper presents and evaluates a methodology to derive liquid water content from w-band radar and microwave radiometr liquid water path retrievals. Using optimal estimation, they attempt to evaluate the widely used power law relationship between radar reflectivity and liquid water content. The paper is reasonably well written but could do with editing for grammar as there were a few grammatical errors (not a big distraction). I noted no technical errors witth the retrieval development, implementation, and evaluation. I found the use of synthetic data to be a strong aspect of their work. The case study they present with the tethered balloon data was interesting and shows th limitations of the algorithm and comparison methodology. I was hoping that they would use the tethered balloon and CDP in an actual cloud instead of fog but perhaps the practical aspects of that make it too difficult.

Even though it is well presented, I would say that the paper does not present much new. Radiometer and radar synergistic retrievals on liquid clouds implemented via optimal estimation has been in wide use for some time. I don't particularly see that the present paper goes much beyond what we already know. I think it would have been better to have minimized the algorithm aspects and focus on what can be learned about cloud processes.

Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2022-3-RC1
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RC2:
'Comment on amt-2022-3', Claudia Acquistapace, 07 Jun 2022
Overall preprint quality:

The presented manuscript describes a retrieval technique for LWC which is within the scope of AMT. Even if the approach is not brand new, the paper applies the known retrieval techniques to fog, which is still a relatively unexplored type of cloud. It presents interesting results for the scientific community. The conclusions are relevant for focusing on new research directions and are thus worth publishing, after some major revisions.

The methodologies applied are clearly stated and outlined. I could not find a clear indication regarding the data and code availability, but the methodology can be followed and understood theoretically. The paper is well structured, and the writing is plain and clear, with a concise abstract and a proper title to describe the manuscript's content.

As a general comment, there is a predominance of passive tenses in the text, which I do not recommend using in favor of active sentences to make understanding easier. In addition, I recommend avoiding sentences with too many subordinates, which often recur. The paper is quite long, some parts can be shortened and/or condensed, and some figures can be put together and/or removed.

Specific comments and technical comments:

Please find all the specific and technical comments in the attached pdf. Here, I just list the main specific comments I have.

I think that the research gap you want to fill needs to be stated more clearly, in the abstract and the introduction. From my understanding, it is that you apply the LWC retrieval to fog and aim to have a method that also works when MWR is not working. You should state these characteristics ( or the ones you think are the main ones of your algorithm) clearly when you introduce the work and why it is crucial.

I think that the paper is too long and that you have too many (nice) figures. For example, you can merge figure 1 and 3 into a single figure with two subplots. I hardly looked at figure 3. Think If it is really needed. Maybe figure 4 can go in the supplementary material, as well as figure 6? Can you make a single figure of figure 7 and 8? Regarding the paragraphs, can you maybe shorten section 3? The methodology you explain ( in detail and very clearly) is well known in literature, so maybe you can just point out what you do differently from the standard theory? These are just some suggestions.

I need some clarifications on what you call Doppler velocity. If you are talking about mean Doppler velocity, the second moment of the Doppler spectrum, you would need to consider this measurement as a convolution of hydrometeor properties with air motion, turbulence etc. For this reason, I have some difficulties in agreeing with what you wrote on the interpretation of the radar Doppler velocity values throughout the text. See the detailed comments in the text for more.

It would greatly help the reader to have a table with the radar mode characteristics, in particular min/max range gate, time resolution, Doppler resolution, min/max Doppler range, at least.

I had some problems understanding your lna. The variable is not properly introduced and only quite late you describe what it really is…Please, introduce it clearly at the beginning, once and for all, and then refer to that definition.

In general, when there is a figure in the text, there is no need to state in the main text of the publication what the figure contains. You should write what readers should see or find in terms of results in the figure, followed by the “(figure n)” in parenthesis. I tried to correct this for every figure, please check.

I wonder if you ever considered using the skewness of the Doppler spectra to distinguish drizzle from non-drizzle profiles. I commented on that a couple of times in the text. I am happy to contribute more in this respect, if you think it is an interesting approach.

You can find the comments above, additional comments, and the technical corrections in the pdf.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2022-3-RC2
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RC3:
'Comment on amt-2022-3', Anonymous Referee #3, 08 Jun 2022

Climatology of estimated LWC and scaling factor for warm clouds using radar - microwave radiometer synergy

by

Pragya Vishwakarma, Julien Delanoë, Susana Jorquera, Pauline Martinet, Frederic Burnet, Alistair Bell and Jean-Charles Dupont

AMT-2022-3

General comments

This manuscript combines cloud radar and microwave radiometer observations using a variational framework in order to estimate the liquid water content profile of warm liquid water clouds. Reliable quantification of uncertainties (both instrument and retrieval uncertainties) is a major goal of the profiling community, so the use of optimal estimation in the retrieval methodology is an attractive approach as it enables multiple error sources to be included and provides the uncertainties directly within the retrieval framework.

The manuscript is relatively well written but would benefit from some editing as there are a number of mistakes. The figures are relevant and clear. The explanation of the methodology is clear but could be much more concise in some sections.

A reliable method of retrieving the profile of liquid water content from remote sensing observations is of clear interest to the community. However, the initial assumption that a power law is suitable for deriving liquid water content from radar reflectivity should be examined more closely. The authors try to solve this by varying the exponent a in the power law relationship between radar reflectivity and liquid water content to account for the presence of drizzle, but it seems of more benefit if the authors used this need to modify the exponent as an indication that drizzle is present and that maybe another retrieval method should be used.

Validation of the retrieved profile of liquid water content has historically proved somewhat challenging, with mostly aircraft-based observations being used for validation. Obtaining the vertical profile of liquid water content from aircraft observations usually requires significant averaging in time and space. There is clear potential shown here for validating the retrievals using balloon-borne in situ measurements, and the case study shows that retrievals in non-drizzling clouds match well, whereas those in drizzling situations are not so good. Investigating if these aspects within the retrieval methodology are robust would be novel and of interest. The manuscript requires some major revisions.

Specific comments and questions

If drizzle is present, then the measured radar reflectivity is essentially responding to the drizzle droplets and not the cloud droplets, hence the wide spread seen in the power law relationships given in the literature. This problem has been discussed previously in numerous articles (which have also been referenced in this manuscript) and nicely summarised in Löhnert et al. (2008, https://doi.org/10.1175/2007JTECHA961.1).

One issue with the approach taken in this manuscript is the retrieval of liquid water content profiles for drizzling cloud cases. While there likely is a relationship between the amount of drizzle and the cloud liquid water content or cloud liquid water path, it no longer follows that the shape of the profile of reflectivity in drizzle should necessarily match the shape of the profile of cloud liquid water content; it will match the shape of the profile of drizzle water content, which can extend far below the liquid cloud base.

If the drizzle situations can be identified using the fact that the scaling parameter in the power law relationship has had to be adjusted to match the measured liquid water path, then this does provide additional information. Do the uncertainties in the retrieval increase when the scaling parameter changes?

Lines 61-63: I'm not sure - depends on how you define spectrum shape - its more that any variation in the largest sizes will make much more of a difference to Z than for LWC.

Lines 118-124: It's not clear which range-resolution mode is used here (highest resolution?), or is it a merged product? If it is the merged product, at what range does the range resolution change? Presumably, although not stated, the range resolution in fog is 12.5 m?

Section 3.1: Much of this section could be condensed considerably and combined with section 3.2

Section 3.3.1: There are a number of recent papers (summarised neatly e.g. in Tridon et al., 2020, https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2020-159) discussing the uncertainties in models of the attenuation by liquid droplets, particularly with respect to temperature. The radiative model model used for generating the gaseous absoption should also be stated and referenced. Is -17 dBZ an appropriate threshold for discriminating between cloud and drizzle droplets? Especially since it would be expected that cloud droplets would dominate the attenuation; drizzle droplets can dominate thre reflectivity while contributing negligible amounts of attenuation.

Section 3.5.1: The case study shows an example where the cloud base is not known, particularly during the first four hours of the day (and for the last 30 minutes of the day). The clear presence of drizzle during the first four hours suggests that the cloud base is probably around 800 m at 0000 lowering to 250 m by 0330. Periods from 0430 to 2330 look most appropriate for the retrieval methodology described in this manuscript. Why not include cloud base information from the co-located ceilometer at SIRTA to determine this. Then investigate the different lna values suggested by the retrieval. Which ones suit drizzle-free periods, and which ones suit drizzling clouds?

Section 5.2: This case study shows the impact of drizzle on the retrievals. Figure 9b shows the heterogeneous nature of the drizzle increasing the reflectivity by significant amounts in some regions. Indeed, the two panels in Figure 10 are very reminiscent of the figures presented in Krasnov and Russchenberg (2002, 2006) and in Löhnert et al. (2008, https://doi.org/10.1175/2007JTECHA961.1) which show two populations with their own relationships, one for drizzle and one for drizzle-free clouds. With very different Z-LWC relationships for drizzle and for liquid droplets, it is not surprising that CDP-calculated reflectivities don't always match observed reflectivities. This is quite obvious in Figure 8, where the two measurements for the non-drizzling time period from about 0430 onwards seems to agree very well, but the agreement for the drizzling time period beforehand is not so good.

Section 6: It may be safer to remove the discussion on vertical velocity relationships. Correcting Doppler velocity for the vertical air motion is a challenge, and without this correction, some of the statements are difficult to corroborate. The typical air motion in low-level liquid clouds can easily exceed +/- 1 m s-1 in turbulent situations, so using Doppler velocity alone to discriminate between drizzle and liquid droplets requires care.

Technical comments

The variable lna needs a clear introduction and description. I assume it is log (a)?

Line 28: Replace 'net radiative forcing in earth's radiation' with 'the net radiative forcing in the Earth's radiation'.

Line 34: Not sure that fog and haze are always 'disastrous'.

Line 43: Replace 'longer' with 'larger'. Suggest adding that droplets larger than this size have appreciable terminal velocity and fall out of the cloud, and are termed drizzle droplets.

Line 45: Replace 'spectrum and whereas, LWC' with 'spectrum, whereas LWC'.

Line 68: Would be clearer if LWC and LWP are defined together. Then line 71 should not start as a new paragraph but follow the sentence introducing the Frisch algorithm.

Line 76: Should state why the presence of drizzle causes problems for the retrievals (a few drizzle droplets dominate the reflectivity without contributing much to LWC).

Line 80: There are some LWC profile retrievals in the literature that are applicable to both precipitating and non-precipitating clouds, although they may have their own drawbacks. It's worth stating here that the issues for fog retrievals have historically been due to the cloud radar blind zone, which can now be mitigated for FMCW radars.

Lines 112-113: Suggest using 'range-resolution modes' rather than 'resolution modes' both here and elsewhere in this paragraph. Include the minimum range for the 12.5 m range-resolution mode.

Line 128: How many channels in the water vapor absorption band? What is the frequency range?

Line 137: The statement starting on this line is not strictly true, suggest revising.

Line 141: For a column containing a single liquid layer, MWR provides the LWP for the cloud layer.

Line 145: This uncertainty is also due to uncertainty in the microwave radiative transfer model.

Table 2: How many size bins does the CDP have?

Lines 172-174. Sentence needs revising

Line 264: To be consistent, can use the same size limit as stated in line 44.

Lines 288-289: This statement is not strictly true. Some of the liquid water attenuation estimates were calculated for a wide range of liquid cloud microphysical properties.

Lines 327-329: Why choose a hard limit of 2.5 km? Why not use a temperature profile (e.g. from MWR, NWP model, or nearby radiosonde) to select an appropriate freezing level for each day, since you state later on in the paragraph that it changes from day to day.

Lines 519-521: This statement is not true, calculations for all types of liquid clouds have been examined in the literature.

Lines 574-575: Is this true if the CDP is limited to sizes less than 50 microns? A few drizzle droplets (e.g. 100-500 microns in diameter) will immediately increase the radar reflectivity far above that calculated from the CDP.

Lines 583-584: The standard term for PPI is Plan Position Indicator.

Lines 772-779: Most liquid clouds, by their very nature, are unlikely to be homogeneous in the sense suggested as suitable here. Maybe a more statistical approach is necessary for some aspects of the retrieval comparisons.

References: Some references are not complete

Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2022-3-RC3
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Status: closed

RC1:
'Comment on amt-2022-3', Anonymous Referee #1, 30 May 2022

This paper presents and evaluates a methodology to derive liquid water content from w-band radar and microwave radiometr liquid water path retrievals. Using optimal estimation, they attempt to evaluate the widely used power law relationship between radar reflectivity and liquid water content. The paper is reasonably well written but could do with editing for grammar as there were a few grammatical errors (not a big distraction). I noted no technical errors witth the retrieval development, implementation, and evaluation. I found the use of synthetic data to be a strong aspect of their work. The case study they present with the tethered balloon data was interesting and shows th limitations of the algorithm and comparison methodology. I was hoping that they would use the tethered balloon and CDP in an actual cloud instead of fog but perhaps the practical aspects of that make it too difficult.

Even though it is well presented, I would say that the paper does not present much new. Radiometer and radar synergistic retrievals on liquid clouds implemented via optimal estimation has been in wide use for some time. I don't particularly see that the present paper goes much beyond what we already know. I think it would have been better to have minimized the algorithm aspects and focus on what can be learned about cloud processes.

Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2022-3-RC1
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Pragya Vishwakarma, 18 Aug 2022
  
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  Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2022-3-AC1
RC2:
'Comment on amt-2022-3', Claudia Acquistapace, 07 Jun 2022
Overall preprint quality:

The presented manuscript describes a retrieval technique for LWC which is within the scope of AMT. Even if the approach is not brand new, the paper applies the known retrieval techniques to fog, which is still a relatively unexplored type of cloud. It presents interesting results for the scientific community. The conclusions are relevant for focusing on new research directions and are thus worth publishing, after some major revisions.

The methodologies applied are clearly stated and outlined. I could not find a clear indication regarding the data and code availability, but the methodology can be followed and understood theoretically. The paper is well structured, and the writing is plain and clear, with a concise abstract and a proper title to describe the manuscript's content.

As a general comment, there is a predominance of passive tenses in the text, which I do not recommend using in favor of active sentences to make understanding easier. In addition, I recommend avoiding sentences with too many subordinates, which often recur. The paper is quite long, some parts can be shortened and/or condensed, and some figures can be put together and/or removed.

Specific comments and technical comments:

Please find all the specific and technical comments in the attached pdf. Here, I just list the main specific comments I have.

I think that the research gap you want to fill needs to be stated more clearly, in the abstract and the introduction. From my understanding, it is that you apply the LWC retrieval to fog and aim to have a method that also works when MWR is not working. You should state these characteristics ( or the ones you think are the main ones of your algorithm) clearly when you introduce the work and why it is crucial.

I think that the paper is too long and that you have too many (nice) figures. For example, you can merge figure 1 and 3 into a single figure with two subplots. I hardly looked at figure 3. Think If it is really needed. Maybe figure 4 can go in the supplementary material, as well as figure 6? Can you make a single figure of figure 7 and 8? Regarding the paragraphs, can you maybe shorten section 3? The methodology you explain ( in detail and very clearly) is well known in literature, so maybe you can just point out what you do differently from the standard theory? These are just some suggestions.

I need some clarifications on what you call Doppler velocity. If you are talking about mean Doppler velocity, the second moment of the Doppler spectrum, you would need to consider this measurement as a convolution of hydrometeor properties with air motion, turbulence etc. For this reason, I have some difficulties in agreeing with what you wrote on the interpretation of the radar Doppler velocity values throughout the text. See the detailed comments in the text for more.

It would greatly help the reader to have a table with the radar mode characteristics, in particular min/max range gate, time resolution, Doppler resolution, min/max Doppler range, at least.

I had some problems understanding your lna. The variable is not properly introduced and only quite late you describe what it really is…Please, introduce it clearly at the beginning, once and for all, and then refer to that definition.

In general, when there is a figure in the text, there is no need to state in the main text of the publication what the figure contains. You should write what readers should see or find in terms of results in the figure, followed by the “(figure n)” in parenthesis. I tried to correct this for every figure, please check.

I wonder if you ever considered using the skewness of the Doppler spectra to distinguish drizzle from non-drizzle profiles. I commented on that a couple of times in the text. I am happy to contribute more in this respect, if you think it is an interesting approach.

You can find the comments above, additional comments, and the technical corrections in the pdf.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2022-3-RC2
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RC3:
'Comment on amt-2022-3', Anonymous Referee #3, 08 Jun 2022

Climatology of estimated LWC and scaling factor for warm clouds using radar - microwave radiometer synergy

by

Pragya Vishwakarma, Julien Delanoë, Susana Jorquera, Pauline Martinet, Frederic Burnet, Alistair Bell and Jean-Charles Dupont

AMT-2022-3

General comments

This manuscript combines cloud radar and microwave radiometer observations using a variational framework in order to estimate the liquid water content profile of warm liquid water clouds. Reliable quantification of uncertainties (both instrument and retrieval uncertainties) is a major goal of the profiling community, so the use of optimal estimation in the retrieval methodology is an attractive approach as it enables multiple error sources to be included and provides the uncertainties directly within the retrieval framework.

The manuscript is relatively well written but would benefit from some editing as there are a number of mistakes. The figures are relevant and clear. The explanation of the methodology is clear but could be much more concise in some sections.

A reliable method of retrieving the profile of liquid water content from remote sensing observations is of clear interest to the community. However, the initial assumption that a power law is suitable for deriving liquid water content from radar reflectivity should be examined more closely. The authors try to solve this by varying the exponent a in the power law relationship between radar reflectivity and liquid water content to account for the presence of drizzle, but it seems of more benefit if the authors used this need to modify the exponent as an indication that drizzle is present and that maybe another retrieval method should be used.

Validation of the retrieved profile of liquid water content has historically proved somewhat challenging, with mostly aircraft-based observations being used for validation. Obtaining the vertical profile of liquid water content from aircraft observations usually requires significant averaging in time and space. There is clear potential shown here for validating the retrievals using balloon-borne in situ measurements, and the case study shows that retrievals in non-drizzling clouds match well, whereas those in drizzling situations are not so good. Investigating if these aspects within the retrieval methodology are robust would be novel and of interest. The manuscript requires some major revisions.

Specific comments and questions

If drizzle is present, then the measured radar reflectivity is essentially responding to the drizzle droplets and not the cloud droplets, hence the wide spread seen in the power law relationships given in the literature. This problem has been discussed previously in numerous articles (which have also been referenced in this manuscript) and nicely summarised in Löhnert et al. (2008, https://doi.org/10.1175/2007JTECHA961.1).

One issue with the approach taken in this manuscript is the retrieval of liquid water content profiles for drizzling cloud cases. While there likely is a relationship between the amount of drizzle and the cloud liquid water content or cloud liquid water path, it no longer follows that the shape of the profile of reflectivity in drizzle should necessarily match the shape of the profile of cloud liquid water content; it will match the shape of the profile of drizzle water content, which can extend far below the liquid cloud base.

If the drizzle situations can be identified using the fact that the scaling parameter in the power law relationship has had to be adjusted to match the measured liquid water path, then this does provide additional information. Do the uncertainties in the retrieval increase when the scaling parameter changes?

Lines 61-63: I'm not sure - depends on how you define spectrum shape - its more that any variation in the largest sizes will make much more of a difference to Z than for LWC.

Lines 118-124: It's not clear which range-resolution mode is used here (highest resolution?), or is it a merged product? If it is the merged product, at what range does the range resolution change? Presumably, although not stated, the range resolution in fog is 12.5 m?

Section 3.1: Much of this section could be condensed considerably and combined with section 3.2

Section 3.3.1: There are a number of recent papers (summarised neatly e.g. in Tridon et al., 2020, https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2020-159) discussing the uncertainties in models of the attenuation by liquid droplets, particularly with respect to temperature. The radiative model model used for generating the gaseous absoption should also be stated and referenced. Is -17 dBZ an appropriate threshold for discriminating between cloud and drizzle droplets? Especially since it would be expected that cloud droplets would dominate the attenuation; drizzle droplets can dominate thre reflectivity while contributing negligible amounts of attenuation.

Section 3.5.1: The case study shows an example where the cloud base is not known, particularly during the first four hours of the day (and for the last 30 minutes of the day). The clear presence of drizzle during the first four hours suggests that the cloud base is probably around 800 m at 0000 lowering to 250 m by 0330. Periods from 0430 to 2330 look most appropriate for the retrieval methodology described in this manuscript. Why not include cloud base information from the co-located ceilometer at SIRTA to determine this. Then investigate the different lna values suggested by the retrieval. Which ones suit drizzle-free periods, and which ones suit drizzling clouds?

Section 5.2: This case study shows the impact of drizzle on the retrievals. Figure 9b shows the heterogeneous nature of the drizzle increasing the reflectivity by significant amounts in some regions. Indeed, the two panels in Figure 10 are very reminiscent of the figures presented in Krasnov and Russchenberg (2002, 2006) and in Löhnert et al. (2008, https://doi.org/10.1175/2007JTECHA961.1) which show two populations with their own relationships, one for drizzle and one for drizzle-free clouds. With very different Z-LWC relationships for drizzle and for liquid droplets, it is not surprising that CDP-calculated reflectivities don't always match observed reflectivities. This is quite obvious in Figure 8, where the two measurements for the non-drizzling time period from about 0430 onwards seems to agree very well, but the agreement for the drizzling time period beforehand is not so good.

Section 6: It may be safer to remove the discussion on vertical velocity relationships. Correcting Doppler velocity for the vertical air motion is a challenge, and without this correction, some of the statements are difficult to corroborate. The typical air motion in low-level liquid clouds can easily exceed +/- 1 m s-1 in turbulent situations, so using Doppler velocity alone to discriminate between drizzle and liquid droplets requires care.

Technical comments

The variable lna needs a clear introduction and description. I assume it is log (a)?

Line 28: Replace 'net radiative forcing in earth's radiation' with 'the net radiative forcing in the Earth's radiation'.

Line 34: Not sure that fog and haze are always 'disastrous'.

Line 43: Replace 'longer' with 'larger'. Suggest adding that droplets larger than this size have appreciable terminal velocity and fall out of the cloud, and are termed drizzle droplets.

Line 45: Replace 'spectrum and whereas, LWC' with 'spectrum, whereas LWC'.

Line 68: Would be clearer if LWC and LWP are defined together. Then line 71 should not start as a new paragraph but follow the sentence introducing the Frisch algorithm.

Line 76: Should state why the presence of drizzle causes problems for the retrievals (a few drizzle droplets dominate the reflectivity without contributing much to LWC).

Line 80: There are some LWC profile retrievals in the literature that are applicable to both precipitating and non-precipitating clouds, although they may have their own drawbacks. It's worth stating here that the issues for fog retrievals have historically been due to the cloud radar blind zone, which can now be mitigated for FMCW radars.

Lines 112-113: Suggest using 'range-resolution modes' rather than 'resolution modes' both here and elsewhere in this paragraph. Include the minimum range for the 12.5 m range-resolution mode.

Line 128: How many channels in the water vapor absorption band? What is the frequency range?

Line 137: The statement starting on this line is not strictly true, suggest revising.

Line 141: For a column containing a single liquid layer, MWR provides the LWP for the cloud layer.

Line 145: This uncertainty is also due to uncertainty in the microwave radiative transfer model.

Table 2: How many size bins does the CDP have?

Lines 172-174. Sentence needs revising

Line 264: To be consistent, can use the same size limit as stated in line 44.

Lines 288-289: This statement is not strictly true. Some of the liquid water attenuation estimates were calculated for a wide range of liquid cloud microphysical properties.

Lines 327-329: Why choose a hard limit of 2.5 km? Why not use a temperature profile (e.g. from MWR, NWP model, or nearby radiosonde) to select an appropriate freezing level for each day, since you state later on in the paragraph that it changes from day to day.

Lines 519-521: This statement is not true, calculations for all types of liquid clouds have been examined in the literature.

Lines 574-575: Is this true if the CDP is limited to sizes less than 50 microns? A few drizzle droplets (e.g. 100-500 microns in diameter) will immediately increase the radar reflectivity far above that calculated from the CDP.

Lines 583-584: The standard term for PPI is Plan Position Indicator.

Lines 772-779: Most liquid clouds, by their very nature, are unlikely to be homogeneous in the sense suggested as suitable here. Maybe a more statistical approach is necessary for some aspects of the retrieval comparisons.

References: Some references are not complete

Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2022-3-RC3
- AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Pragya Vishwakarma, 18 Aug 2022
  
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Cloud observations are necessary to characterize the cloud properties at the local and global scales. These observations must be translated to cloud geophysical parameters. This paper presents the estimation of liquid water content (LWC) using radar and microwave radiometer (MWR) measurements. LWP from MWR scales the LWC and the scaling factor (lna) is retrieved. The retrievals are compared with in-situ observations. A climatology of lna is built to estimate LWC with only radar information.


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