Articles | Volume 18, issue 20
https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-18-5805-2025
© Author(s) 2025. This work is distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.
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Parameterization of 3D cloud geometry and a neural-network-based fast forward operator for polarized radiative transfer
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RC1: 'Referee comment on egusphere-2025-2554', Anonymous Referee #2, 26 Jul 2025
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Anna Weber, 15 Aug 2025
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-2554', Anonymous Referee #1, 09 Aug 2025
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Anna Weber, 15 Aug 2025
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AR by Anna Weber on behalf of the Authors (15 Aug 2025)
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ED: Referee Nomination & Report Request started (15 Aug 2025) by Andreas Richter
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RR by Anthony Davis (29 Aug 2025)
ED: Publish subject to minor revisions (review by editor) (02 Sep 2025) by Andreas Richter
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ED: Publish as is (09 Sep 2025) by Andreas Richter
AR by Anna Weber on behalf of the Authors (10 Sep 2025)
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The paper by Weber et al. addresses a very important research topic: the accurate and efficient simulation of atmospheric radiation fields for complex cloud scenarios (including polarisation).
Such radiative transfer models are important for the interpretation of remote sensing measurements and for the quantification of the atmospheric radiation budget. So far, usually 1D models are applied, which assume horizontally homogenous atmospheric properties. For many scenarios, they can not properly describe the atmospheric radiation fields.
The authors of this paper introduce a new method to describe the effects of 3D clouds using a simplified parameterisation for 3D clouds (half spherical clouds). Moreover, they also developed a fast neural network, which is trained on the simulations using the half spherical cloud parameterisation. Both new models are evaluated against a full 3D radiative transfer model, and a (slight) improvement with respect to the 1D cloud simulations was found.
The paper is scientifically sound and within the scope of AMT. However, the writing is sometimes confusing and has repetitions; also some quantities are not clearly defined (see also the minor points below).
After addressing my comments, the paper might be published in AMT.
Major comments
1) While I see the benefits of the choice of the half sphere concept, it stays unclear why the authors have chosen this concept. The authors should motivate their choice and also discuss which other simple parameterisations might have been used instead. They might also discuss which more sophisticated concepts might be useful in improved future applications.
2) Several important aspects are not clear:
-are the clouds in a pixel represented by one half spherical cloud (as stated in line 6) or by a field of half spherical clouds (as stated in line 63)?
-what is the size of one pixel? Does the size depend on the measurement properties and/or the grid of the RTM simulations?
3) The improvement of the new-methods over the 1D cloud approximation is rather small (Fig. 7): The correlation coefficient increases from 0.81 to 0.87 and from 0.85 to 0.86, respectively.
With such a small improvement, it remains unclear why a user should take the effort and use the new-methods instead of 1D cloud models.
The authors should explore, why the improvement is so small, and which model improvements (see my first comment) could be applied to increase the agreement to the full 3D simulations.
Minor points:
-line 24/25: what is meant with roughening or smoothening of the brightness field? Could you add a suitable reference?
-line 39: what is meant here with ‚high’ and ‚low’ resolution? Could you give numbers; maybe add a reference?
-line 55: what are the wavelength ranges for the three channels? What is the spatial resolution? Please add this information.
-line 61: the ‚forward operator’ should be introduced / defined; maybe a new subsection could be inserted starting with line 61?
-line 103: what is meant with ‚the domain visible in the radiative transfer simulations?
(also for the figure caption of Fig. 6)
-Fig. 3: the pixel size should be graphically indicated in the figure. Is a cloud in a pixel represented by one half spherical cloud or by a field of half spherical clouds?
-Fig. 3 and text: what is the procedure if one cloud covers several pixels?
-Table 1 and text: please make clear for which area the cloud fraction defined? Is this done on a pixel basis, or for a larger area?