Articles | Volume 18, issue 22
https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-18-7039-2025
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Apparent vertical ionospheric drift: a comparative assessment of digisonde and ionogram-based methods
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- Final revised paper (published on 25 Nov 2025)
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-1811', Anonymous Referee #1, 04 Jun 2025
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Daniel Kouba, 19 Jun 2025
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AR by Daniel Kouba on behalf of the Authors (05 Aug 2025)
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ED: Publish as is (22 Oct 2025) by Jorge Luis Chau
AR by Daniel Kouba on behalf of the Authors (24 Oct 2025)
The scientific value and methodological rigor of the manuscript are questionable in its current form. The study relies on only two days of observational data to evaluate several methods for estimating vertical plasma drift, comparing them to a Doppler-based method that appears relatively more reliable. For any objective reader their results, shown, for example, in Figs. 5 and 6, is proof that indirect methods cannot be used for any serious science: they produce mostly false or highly distorted signatures of wave activity, both day and night. This conclusion would be even more obvious if the authors used more decisive comparison technique (see below). The authors currently avoid strong critical commentary on the performance of the tested methods, as well as on the Digisonde technique itself, which risks legitimizing approaches that may be unsuitable for serious scientific application.
A more rigorous comparison framework is necessary. First, regarding data volume: it is not sufficient to base conclusions on two isolated daily campaigns when working with a high-frequency sounding system capable of continuous autonomous operation. Such a limited dataset renders the study vulnerable to event-specific anomalies and does not support general conclusions. Second, the DDM method is based on least-squares fits and therefore not just offers more physically grounded and statistically supported results but also provides per-measurement error estimates. This is a valuable benchmark that should be used more proactively in the comparison. The analysis could be strengthened if the authors include error bars for the DDM-derived values shown as black dots in Figs. 5 and 6. These error bars (appropriately adjusted when smoothing is applied) would allow readers to better assess the reliability of DDM itself and to identify deviations in the other methods that fall outside acceptable uncertainty bounds.
In conclusion, while the manuscript may serve a purpose in highlighting deficiencies in certain vertical drift estimation methods, it must undergo significant methodological revision and adopt a more candid interpretation of its results before being considered for publication. Specifically, the scope of the data must be expanded, and the analysis must incorporate uncertainty quantification and a more critical evaluation of the tested methods.
A few specific technical and editorial comments follow below.
L. 69-70: Digisondes can detect specific reflection points and measure Doppler shifts at those points, enabling full vector drift estimations.
It’s worth mentioning here that Digisonde requires dedicated, non-ionogram, fixed-frequency mode of operation for their drift measurements, thus causing loss of all information the ionogram mode can provide.
L.101: Such a data set allows accurate estimation of the drift velocity vector (Reinisch et al., 1998).
The scientific objectivity requires to mention here that this technique was developed, implemented and published four years earlier in [Wright and Pitteway, 1994, https://doi.org/10.1016/0021-9169(94)90157-0].
L. 203: Standard ionogram measurement takes typically several minutes.
The authors probably mean typical ionogram cadence.
Section 4.2: When the authors speak of smoothing, is it the time series of a parameter itself (hmF2, h′F2, h′(3.5 MHz), or h′(0.8foF2)) smoothed before calculating the time derivative, or is it the time derivative calculated based on two adjacent values of those parameters smoothed? Have the authors tried both approaches? Is there a difference? Just for clarity, not that I expect critical improvement from any of these approaches.