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A source for the continuous generation of pure and quantifiable HONO mixtures
Guillermo Villena
Jörg Kleffmann
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RC1: 'Comment on amt-2021-332', Anonymous Referee #2, 22 Nov 2021
A continuous source for the generation of pure HONO mixtures from the sub-ppb range up to 500 ppb is developed and characterized. nitrite is almost completely converted into HONO due to the acidic conditions of the aqueous phase (pH ≈ 2.5). The source shows a fast time response of ~2 min (0-90 %) at higher concentrations and an excellent long-time stability. A general equation based on Henry’s law is developed, whereby the HONO concentration of the source can be calculated using measured experimental parameters, i.e. nitrite concentration, liquid flow rates, gas flow rate, pH of the solution and temperature of the stripping coil. For the calculation of the effective Henry’s law constant, the acid dissociation equilibrium of HONO/nitrite is used as a variable to adjust the theoretical HONO concentration to the measured values. A standard deviation between all measured and theoretical HONO concentrations of only ±3.8 % is observed, for the first time, a stable HONO source is developed. I believe this study is of great interest to readers. There are some comments that the authors should consider, then the manuscript can be accepted to publish.
- Lines 161, " the theoretical and not the experimental pH values were used for pH <2 in Figure 2" Why use theoretical values instead of experimental pH values here?
- Lines 200, in figure 3, HONO should be added an ordinate.
- Lines 271, the English usage in the statement of " A HONO source was developed and characterized, where HONO is produced by the reaction of diluted nitrite and H2SO4 solutions in a temperature-controlled stripping coil " is not understandable and the sentence should be rephrased.
- Lines 280, why the time response depending on the HONO concentration levels?
- In the part of 3.2, is it calibrated with Nitrogen (N2) as the background? What is the gas flow in this part?
- In the part of 3.6, the source was operated at a low liquid pump speed of 10 rpm to get 2s noise is 0.76 %. Can you get the same value at the liquid pump speed of 20 rpm? Or the same value in the next experiment at10 rpm?
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2021-332-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Jörg Kleffmann, 23 Nov 2021
A continuous source for the generation of pure HONO mixtures from the sub-ppb range up to 500 ppb is developed and characterized. nitrite is almost completely converted into HONO due to the acidic conditions of the aqueous phase (pH ≈ 2.5). The source shows a fast time response of ~2 min (0-90 %) at higher concentrations and an excellent long-time stability. A general equation based on Henry’s law is developed, whereby the HONO concentration of the source can be calculated using measured experimental parameters, i.e. nitrite concentration, liquid flow rates, gas flow rate, pH of the solution and temperature of the stripping coil. For the calculation of the effective Henry’s law constant, the acid dissociation equilibrium of HONO/nitrite is used as a variable to adjust the theoretical HONO concentration to the measured values. A standard deviation between all measured and theoretical HONO concentrations of only ±3.8 % is observed, for the first time, a stable HONO source is developed. I believe this study is of great interest to readers. There are some comments that the authors should consider, then the manuscript can be accepted to publish.
We would like to thank referee #2 for her/his interest and helpful comments, which will improve the quality of the paper.
1. Lines 161, " the theoretical and not the experimental pH values were used for pH <2 in Figure 2" Why use theoretical values instead of experimental pH values here?
Answer: As explained in lines 157-161 of the manuscript, at pH<2 we were not able to measure the theoretical pH-values, expected assuming a reasonable quantitative dissociation of the strong sulfuric acid. Here, the measured pH was significantly larger than the theoretical values. This deviation is a known artefact for electrochemical glass electrodes when using strong acids (“the acid error”: Bates, 1973). In contrast, for pH>2 theoretical and experimental pH values agreed very well in the present study. Since quantitative dissociation of the strong sulfuric acid can be assumed in the pH range 0-2, we decided to use the theoretical values here. However, for the present HONO source, this artefact is no issue, since a fixed pH of ca. 2.5 is recommended, for which measured and theoretical pH agreed well (e.g. for the measured pH of 2.49 in Figure 2 the theoretical value was 2.44).
2. Lines 200, in figure 3, HONO should be added an ordinate.
Answer: Thanks for pointing to this error. In a first version of this figure, we originally showed the measured NOy signal and not the calculated HONO (NOy - 2xNO). The ordinate title will be changed to “NO, HONO [ppb]”.
3. Lines 271, the English usage in the statement of " A HONO source was developed and characterized, where HONO is produced by the reaction of diluted nitrite and H2SO4 solutions in a temperature-controlled stripping coil " is not understandable and the sentence should be rephrased.
Answer: We rephrased the sentence as follows: “In the present study a new HONO source was developed and characterized. In contrast to most recent studies (Ren et al., 2010; Reed et al., 2016; Gingerysty and Osthoff, 2020; Lao et al., 2020), HONO is produced by the reaction of nitrite and H2SO4 in the liquid phase. In a stripping coil reactor HONO partitions to the gas phase according to its known moderate solubility in acidic solutions.”
4. Lines 280, why the time response depending on the HONO concentration levels?
Answer: Indeed, the time response of the source slightly increased with decreasing HONO levels. The effect was however only observed at concentrations in the very low ppb range (see Figure 3). A possible explanation for this observation is the adsorption of HONO on humid surfaces behind the HONO source (glass surfaces of the exit of the stripping coil, PFA lines, PFA-T, inlet of the chemiluminescence instrument), which leads to some delayed response of the NOy signal. It is well known, that adsorption of gases plays a larger role at lower concentrations, as the time needed to saturate the surfaces increases at low concentrations. E.g. at the end of the experiment shown in Figure 3, the source was first switched to water (at 16:09), which should make the HONO source to a perfect “zero-gas generator” after a short time. However, after a first fast decrease of the HONO mixing ratio, there was a significant tailing of the signal at lower HONO levels. We think that this tailing does not results from the HONO source or the PFA surfaces behind the source, as the slope of the decreasing HONO levels did not significantly change, when the HONO source was physically disconnected and the chemiluminescence instrument was operated by pure nitrogen (at 16:59). Possibly, HONO adsorbed on the inlet particle filter or on the stainless-steel inlet surfaces of the instrument is still desorbing to the gas phase even after longer time. Thus, most probably this changed time response is an adsorption problem of the chemiluminescence instrument and not a problem of the HONO source. As reasons for this observation are however not fully clear, we did not discuss this issue in the manuscript. However, it should be highlighted that even a time response of 7 min at a low HONO mixing ratio of 1 ppb is superior compared to any HONO source yet developed and we do not consider this issue too important.
With respect to a similar comment by referee #1, we have added the following information to section 3.2, where Figure 3 is explained: “The increasing time response at low HONO levels is explained by adsorption/desorption of HONO on the surfaces behind the HONO source, which gets less important with increasing HONO levels, leading to faster saturation of the surfaces. From the experiment shown in Figure 3, we conclude that most of this adsorption/desorption took place on the surfaces of the chemiluminescence instrument used (inlet particle filter, stainless-steel lines) and not on the PFA transfer lines. At 16:09 the HONO source was switched from reagents to pure water, for which the HONO emissions should quickly decrease to zero. However, after a first fast decrease of the HONO concentration there was a significant tailing of the signal. Here the slope of the decreasing signal did not change when the HONO source was replaced by pure nitrogen at 16:59. This can only be explained when the tailing is caused by desorption of HONO from the surfaces of the chemiluminescence instrument, as all other PFA surfaces were removed. This conclusion is also in agreement with our experience with pure HONO mixtures, for which adsorption losses in PFA transfer lines of up to 20 m length were found insignificant.”
5. In the part of 3.2, is it calibrated with Nitrogen (N2) as the background? What is the gas flow in this part?
Answer: As described in line 81 of the manuscript, the source was operated with pure nitrogen from our in-house nitrogen line for all experiments shown, but can be also operated with synthetic air. We used nitrogen here, as the nitrogen is expected to have smaller impurities compared to synthetic air. Although both have an original purity of better than 99.999 % (purity: “5.0”), the nitrogen is produced by evaporation from the liquid nitrogen tank of the chemistry department. It can be expected that most impurities (e.g. any NOx) will stay in the liquid nitrogen at the low temperatures (77 K). In addition, the NO calibration gas used is also provided in pure nitrogen. Thus, the NOx-instrument is exactly calibrated with the same buffer gas as used in the experiments, not affecting its sensitivity by any different quenching of the NO2* formed in the chemiluminescence cell. In the experiments described in section 3.2, a nominal gas flow rate of 2 l/min was used for the flow controller of the HONO source, leading to a calibrated standard flow rate (298.15 K, 1 atm) of 2104 ml/min, see figure captions 3 and 4.
6. In the part of 3.6, the source was operated at a low liquid pump speed of 10 rpm to get 2s noise is 0.76 %. Can you get the same value at the liquid pump speed of 20 rpm? Or the same value in the next experiment at 10 rpm?
In this study, the long-time precision was only tested in the experiment shown in Figure 8, for which a liquid pump speed of 10 rpm was used. However, years ago we made similar tests with 20 rpm using a HONO-LOPAP instrument to quantify the output of the source and found a similar precision of 1.0 % (the slightly higher value is most probably caused by the lower precision of the HONO LOPAP compared to the chemiluminescence instrument used in the present study). Furthermore, when looking to the short-time precision during the liquid flow rate dependence (see section 3.4, with each step only ca. 30-45 min) the precision was found to be independent of the liquid flow rate. Also, for the longest HONO step shown in Figure 3 at a much higher HONO concentration compared to Figure 8 (with a corresponding better relative precision of the NOx instrument), an even better 2σ precision of only 0.4 % was observed at 20 rpm, (although again at a much shorter duration of only 50 min). And finally, with respect to the second question, the same high precision is also obtained when the source was operated on two different days by two different operators, for which a mean deviation between the two sets of experiments of only 0.67 % was observed for HONO concentrations >20 ppb (see section 3.2 and Figure 4). Thus, the given upper limit precision error, which will also result from the precision of the chemiluminescence instrument should well describe the general stability of the HONO source.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2021-332-AC1
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RC2: 'Comment on amt-2021-332', Anonymous Referee #1, 22 Nov 2021
The manuscript "A Source for the Continuous Generation of Pure and Quantifiable HONO Mixtures'' by Villena et al. reports the setup and the characterizations of a continuous source generating pure HONO mixtures. The manuscript is well organized and provides valuable information which is quite helpful for performing accurate HONO measurement. I recommend the publication. And only some minor comments follows.
- Line 81, Page 3: Would the 99.999% pure liquid nitrogen contain some NOx and contribute to the NOx formation of the HONO source?
- Line 87, Page 3: The generated gaseous HONO is guided to measurement instrument through PFA line. What about the wall loss of HONO on the line? It would be helpful if the authors provide a recommendation on the maximum length of the guiding line.
- Line 179 - 181, Page 6: Please add in the figure caption what the error bars represent for. The same for other figure captions in the manuscript.
- Line 184 - 188, Page 6: Please note that the time response indicated by Figure 3 should also contain that of the chemiluminescence instrument.
- Figure 3, Page 7: Concerning the stronger fluctuation of NOy signal observed at lower nitrite concentrations, dose it caused by the measurement sensitivity not good enough or by the HONO source not stable under such condition?
- Section 3.6, Page 9: The stability of the HONO source is given by a 2σ relative error. Dose it mean that the stability depends on the generated HONO concentration? However, when look at Figure 3, the fluctuation seems much smaller for higher HONO concentrations. Moreover, since ambient HONO concentration are mostly less than 10ppb, information on the stability under such conditions would be even more valuable.
- I fully agree with the authors' statement on the advantage of the reported HONO source over the traditional calibration method for instrument based on wet chemical techniques. Since the authors have LOPAP instrument in their lab, it would be helpful if the authors can provide comparison of ambient measurement results calibrated by gaseous HONO and liquid NO2- standards.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2021-332-RC2 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Jörg Kleffmann, 23 Nov 2021
Reply to Anonymous Referee #1
The manuscript "A Source for the Continuous Generation of Pure and Quantifiable HONO Mixtures'' by Villena et al. reports the setup and the characterizations of a continuous source generating pure HONO mixtures. The manuscript is well organized and provides valuable information which is quite helpful for performing accurate HONO measurement. I recommend the publication. And only some minor comments follows.
We would like to thank referee #1 for her/his interest and helpful comments, which will improve the quality of the paper.
1. Line 81, Page 3: Would the 99.999% pure liquid nitrogen contain some NOx and contribute to the NOx formation of the HONO source?
Answer: Since the used gas phase nitrogen was produced by evaporation of liquid nitrogen “5.0” (99.999 % purity) at the liquid nitrogen tank of the chemistry department and transferred to the laboratory by the central nitrogen feed line, the purity of the gas phase should be significantly better than 99.999 %, since most impurities (especially any NO2 as HONO precursor) should remain in the liquid phase at the low temperatures (77 K) during the evaporation. In addition, from our experience with the purity of compressed nitrogen gas from the same manufacturer, we did not yet observe any measurable NOx impurities, excluding significant additional HONO formation.
2. Line 87, Page 3: The generated gaseous HONO is guided to measurement instrument through PFA line. What about the wall loss of HONO on the line? It would be helpful if the authors provide a recommendation on the maximum length of the guiding line.
Answer: Especially at low HONO levels we observed a significant tailing of the signals (see Figure 3), which we attributed to adsorption of HONO on the surfaces behind the HONO source. However, from the experiment shown in Figure 3 we conclude that most adsorption took place on the stainless-steel and filter surfaces of the inlet of the chemiluminescence instrument, but not on the PFA transfer lines used. At the end of the experiment shown in Figure 3, the source was first switched to water (at 16:09), which should make the HONO source to a perfect “zero-gas generator” after a short time. However, after a first fast decrease of the HONO mixing ratio (logarithmic scale…), there was a significant tailing of the signal at lower HONO levels. We think that this tailing does not results from the HONO source or the PFA surfaces behind the source, as the slope of the decreasing HONO levels did not significantly changed, when the HONO source was physically disconnected and the chemiluminescence instrument was operated by pure nitrogen (at 16:59). Possibly, HONO adsorbed on the inlet particle filter or on the stainless-steel inlet surfaces of the instrument is still desorbing to the gas phase even after longer time. This was also the reason, why the time response of the source slightly increased with decreasing HONO levels. In contrast, we do not think that HONO losses by adsorption on PFA surfaces is a significant problem. In former unpublished experiments with the HONO source at a smog chamber the exchange of a 3 m long PFA-line (4 mm i.d., 2 L/min) by a 20 m long one did not change the measured HONO levels, even at low ppb levels.
With respect to a similar comment by referee #2 we have added the following information to section 3.2, where Figure 3 is explained: “The increasing time response at low HONO levels is explained by adsorption/desorption of HONO on the surfaces behind the HONO source, which gets less important with increasing HONO levels, leading to faster saturation of the surfaces. From the experiment shown in Figure 3, we conclude that most of this adsorption/desorption took place on the surfaces of the chemiluminescence instrument used (inlet particle filter, stainless-steel lines) and not on the PFA transfer lines. At 16:09 the HONO source was switched from reagents to pure water, for which the HONO emissions should quickly decrease to zero. However, after a first fast decrease of the HONO concentration there was a significant tailing of the signal. Here the slope of the decreasing signal did not change when the HONO source was replaced by pure nitrogen at 16:59. This can only be explained when the tailing is caused by desorption of HONO from the surfaces of the chemiluminescence instrument, as all other PFA surfaces were removed. This conclusion is also in agreement with our experience with pure HONO mixtures, for which adsorption losses in PFA transfer lines of up to 20 m length were found insignificant.”
3. Line 179 - 181, Page 6: Please add in the figure caption what the error bars represent for. The same for other figure captions in the manuscript.
Answer: The y-error bars in Figure 2 represent the precision errors (2 σ), which are only visible for the NOx/HONO data, but smaller than the size of the symbols for HONO and NOy. The x-error bars represent the accuracy of the pH, which was estimated to ±0.2 for pH<2, ±0.15 for pH 2-3 and ±0.1 for pH >3, caused by the problems with the pH measurements at higher acidity, see main text. In the revised manuscript all error bars will be explained in the figure captions.
4. Line 184 - 188, Page 6: Please note that the time response indicated by Figure 3 should also contain that of the chemiluminescence instrument.
Answer: Yes, we agree, most probably the decreasing time response of the source at lower HONO levels is caused by adsorption/desorption on the inlet surfaces of the chemiluminescence instrument, which will be explained in detail in the revised manuscript, see our response to point 2.
5. Figure 3, Page 7: Concerning the stronger fluctuation of NOy signal observed at lower nitrite concentrations, does it caused by the measurement sensitivity not good enough or by the HONO source not stable under such condition?
Answer: The noise of the HONO signal at low levels will be caused by the noise of the chemiluminescence instrument. Have in mind that the HONO signal is calculated from the difference of the signals of NOy and two times of NO, leading to corresponding higher noise of the calculated HONO data compared to the measured NO. In addition, the visually high noise at low concentrations is also caused by the logarithmic scale of the Figure. In contrast, there is no reason, why the emission of the HONO source should get more variable at lower HONO concentrations, since nothing (gas and liquid flow rates, mixing of the reagents, etc.) except the nitrite concentration was changed in the experiment.
6. Section 3.6, Page 9: The stability of the HONO source is given by a 2σ relative error. Does it mean that the stability depends on the generated HONO concentration? However, when look at Figure 3, the fluctuation seems much smaller for higher HONO concentrations. Moreover, since ambient HONO concentration are mostly less than 10 ppb, information on the stability under such conditions would be even more valuable.
Answer: As explained in the manuscript, the precision of the data shown in Figure 8 will result from the precision of the chemiluminescence instrument and the HONO source and therefore is specified as an upper limit. Since the relative error of the chemiluminescence instrument certainly decreases with increasing mixing ratios, indeed the HONO data at higher levels show an even better precision, e.g. of only 0.4 % for the 4 mg/l data in Figure 3. Since we did not systematically study the contribution of the NOx-monitor to the precision errors of the measurement data, we simply quantified the upper limit error of both, the source and the NOx-monitor from the experiment shown in Figure 8. However, since the variability of the HONO source should not depend on the HONO level (see answer to point 5.), we are quite confident that the given upper limit precision error is representative for all experimental conditions. Unfortunately, for the present study we made no long-time experiment at lower HONO levels, for which however the precision error would get higher caused by the lower precision of the NOx monitor at lower HONO levels.
7. I fully agree with the authors' statement on the advantage of the reported HONO source over the traditional calibration method for instrument based on wet chemical techniques. Since the authors have LOPAP instrument in their lab, it would be helpful if the authors can provide comparison of ambient measurement results calibrated by gaseous HONO and liquid NO2- standards.
Answer: Here, the referee misunderstood our conclusion. First the source is ideal for calibration of HONO instruments, for which no simple calibration is possible, e.g. mass spectrometers. Second, for wet chemical techniques the source can be in addition used to characterise instruments, which are under development, e.g. to quantify their sampling efficiencies. However, after an instrument is well characterized, e.g. like the LOPAP instrument, the best calibration available should be used. For the LOPAP technique the accuracy error, when the instrument is classically calibrated by the liquid nitrite standard, can be optimized down to ±3-4 %, which is still lower, than the accuracy error of the HONO source (<10 %, ideally, ca. 6 %, see section 4.2.). For example, when we compared our LOPAP instrument for pure HONO/NOx mixtures in the EUPHORE smog chamber in two separate campaigns, deviations of <3 % were observed (see Figure 1 in Kleffmann et al., 2006). This high accuracy can not be obtained by calibration with the HONO source. Thus, we will not regularly calibrate our LOPAP instrument by the HONO source, but by the classical liquid calibration. However, this conclusion may be different for other wet-chemical instruments.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2021-332-AC2
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RC3: 'Comment on amt-2021-332', Anonymous Referee #3, 09 Dec 2021
Overall Comments
This manuscript provides the operational details of a commercial nitrous acid (HONO) calibration source that has previously been undescribed in the literature to allow replication and validation. As such, it has not been widely used for the calibration of in-situ atmospheric instrumentation. A nice instrumental intercomparison to show the utility of the source is made with the pairing of a chemiluminescent NOx monitor and a LOPAP, particularly because they are calibrated orthogonally. A stable and pure HONO source is demonstrated in the 10s of ppbv mixing ratio range along with tunability, but operational validation at mixing ratios relevant to the atmosphere are either neglected for discussion entirely or glossed over. It is confusing why the Authors have enumerated so many points on the excellent performance of the calibration source, drawing off their extensive measurement experience, to emphasize that those values apply at concentrations that are an order of magnitude (or more) higher than would be delivered for the operating range of an instrument (assuming no more than ten-fold dilution). Subject to inclusion of that information, since it has been collected, the manuscript is fit for publication in AMT once minor and technical revisions have been made.
Minor Revisions
- Alphabetized lists are present throughout the manuscript and significantly detract from the quality of the points being made. In many places these are formatted badly and make the logic challenging to follow. In most cases, these can simply be replaced with a structured paragraph to address each point and some minor reorganization.
- The Authors are mixing metrics in their comparisons with other instruments in several instances that give misleading impressions on their performance. In most cases these can be corrected by clearly separating the terms being discussed (see technical corrections below).
- Present the performance metrics for the calibration source at output mixing ratios of 5 ppbv and below. This is the range that will be required to calibrate instruments for ambient measurements, as it will set instrumental accuracy and precision. It is critical to present the stability of the instrument that is applicable. Of course the metrics look great over 10 ppbv, just like every other high-output HONO source, but that applies to very few real situations (e.g. wildfire plumes or tunnels).
Technical Corrections
Page 1, Lines 24-25: Source stability has been solved for a long time (since Febo, ~2%), so this point that it is the first is not accurate. The statement on providing the first absolute calibration source is accurate and the most noteworthy contribution of this work. Revise the statement to prevent it from being misleading.
Page 3, Lines 68-70: This is another misleading sentence that needs rewriting to accurately represent the current state of knowledge. Varying the temperature and HCl concentrations are required only once to identify the required working range of the system and are not varied once that fact has been established. There are no reports of this system being modified in real-time to change HONO output of a calibration system, except for proof-of-concept to help end users know their options for obtaining a desired HONO output. Further, varying temperature is trivial and permeation tubes are prolific across many industries for gas calibrations. The Authors are being disingenuous by calling either of these complicated, but are correct that each could require some time to either acquire (permeation tubes require certification by manufacturers) or reach a programmed setpoint with a PID controller (temperature). It is fairly standard practice to expect such time requirements from a calibration system, especially given the time that one must commit to pipette solutions into cleaned labware to set up the calibration source, then prime the peristaltic pump (and so on) in the work presented here.
Page 3, Lines 85-87: This sentence is hard to follow. There is fragmentation and mixing of ideas. Revise into two sentences that are complete.
Page 3, Lines 94-95: The elasticity of peristaltic tubing degrades over time and can lead to poor flow control or a total loss of flow. Can the Authors please add some instruction on this for the presented system to the discussion where they are commenting on the volume requirements for the calibration source, so readers have an idea of the necessary maintenance? Can the Authors also provide some sort of objective metric to identify that the peristaltic tubing may be compromised in function?
Page 4, Line 128: This list is not necessary. Write with full sentences and paragraphs.
Page 4, Line 131: Units should be given in parentheses. Also, why is the molar concentration of HONO not presented as [HONO] in Equation (I)?
Page 5, Lines 157-159: There are too many ideas intermixed in this sentence. Please revise into two or three sentences for clarity.
Page 6, Lines 196-199: What about below 5 ppbv output? It’s been long demonstrated that it is easy to get reproducible and stable HONO outputs for sources with high concentrations. These are not found in the real atmosphere, so the instruments would not be calibrated in their working range. It is also not reasonable to perform subsequent dilutions greater than a factor of 10 with MFCs as most users will not commit to the very large gas requirements (or potential pressure issues).
Page 7, Lines 210-211: Clarify that the NOx monitor requires at least 1 L min-1 here. The way this is written makes it seem like the instrument can only handle flows of 1 L min-1, but a higher flow could be directed to it with an appropriate atmospheric vent or waste line used for the excess gas.
Page 8, Line 233: The point here is that higher flows generate higher concentrations of HONO, which can then decompose to NOx. Revise this sentence so it does not seem that a separate issue of NOx production that depends on flow exists (e.g. due to turbulent flow dynamics).
Page 9, Lines 244-245: As a standalone statement about RH, I do not understand the value of having a water vapour saturated in the calibration gas flow. If anything, this is a problem. The Authors point out that problem as well, saying that condensation can occur if the ambient temperature is below that of the dew point compared to the stripping coil. I’d suggest removing this sentence or making a clear point on why the water vapour in the calibration flow is useful.
Page 9, Lines 247-248: Does this imply that the backreaction is exothermic? Such that the elevated temperature is reducing the decomposition pathway to NOx despite the higher HONO being produced? I’m not sure the current statement is accurate in terms of explanatory power despite the observed relationships being correctly stated.
Page 9, Line 259: What about the variance at lower mixing ratios? This evaluation is way above even the highest ambient mixing ratios observed in the real world, excepting extreme cases like wildfire plumes. The duration over which the variance was determined (as presented in Figure 8) also seems to be selected arbitrarily, rather than reflecting a typical span of time that one would conduct a calibration over (e.g. 1-2 hours). As a result, the additional data points from ~12 hours of observations make the variance seem much smaller than the more relevant timescale. It would be more useful to see the application-relevant performance of this calibration source at 5 ppbv, 2 ppbv and ~100 pptv, as suggested is possible in Figure 4B.
Page 9, Lines 262-263: This continuous duration is shorter than reported for other sources. That should be stated clearly and the point that this system can be shut down, flushed with deionised water, and restarted easily emphasized. The major contribution of this work is quantitative HONO production by mixing the two reagent solutions together on-demand with very little stabilization time required. It would be nice to see a depiction of that ‘start-up’ from instrument measurements over which the HONO is produced rapidly and with high stability. Apologies if this is what is being shown in Figure 8, but the initial and final conditions are not clearly stated as having changed the nitrite solution for deionised water or articulating a valve to deliver clean air to the instrument instead of the HONO source flow.
Page 10, Lines 275-276: This is true only over a few hours. The Authors state that pump flow rates drift over such periods, which means that they need to be recalibrated nearly daily. It is true that this task is simple, but one could argue that this is just as much of a malfunction as those observed in other sources. It would also be instructive to indicate how long the prepared nitrite solutions are stable for and under what conditions somewhere.
Page 10, Line 281: The Authors are conflating changing the HONO output from their source with the ability to easily dilute the HONO generated by others. Other sources can have their outputs rapidly modified on timescales of seconds using mass flow controllers, so the comparison being made is not fair-minded. The initial range for other sources simply requires proper setup. In fact, the Authors do not present good reasons to me why one would want to generate >50 ppbv of HONO for calibration purposes? As such, why not identify the correct nitrite concentration to obtain an output that is easily diluted into the ambient range of observed HONO mixing ratios? If a change in nitrite concentration in minutes then can give access to even lower stable mixing ratios (<10 pptv), that would be very attractive.
Page 10, Line 284: This work reports 2 hours for stability under the recommended operation conditions. Correct this statement.
Page 10, Lines 285-286: As stated above, permeation devices have been commercially produced for a very long time. They are sold with stabilized outputs that are certified, which requires no stabilization time to use. There are reviews on this cited in the work they are referencing. Here, the Authors are commenting on homemade permeation devices being stabilized on much shorter timescales compared to certified commercial options (days instead of 6 weeks). One could easily produce dozens of these at once and have stable HCl permeation devices for years, negating the statement made here. How long does it take to order and prepare the reagents for this source? Why are those timelines not considered in this comparison? Given the prevalence of permeation devices in use, the Authors are recommended to reduce their focus on this point, as HCl emissions with 5% accuracy could easily be obtained from a commercial manufacturer in perpetuity, with only the initial waiting period to consider.
Page 10, Lines 287-289: This is a separate discussion point, not a contrasting one. Move to a separate part of the discussion. As suggested above, it would be great to show this performance in action where water and nitrite are exchanged in real time to demonstrate the start up and shut down periods that the system can achieve.
Page 10, Lines 292-294: For the Febo-style source, changing the temperature of the entire HCl solution is indeed time consuming, but it is easily done with a PID controller, so not particularly difficult. Also, if the relevant temperature to obtain HONO mixing ratios relevant to the operating range of an atmospheric instrument is identified, why would one be changing this regularly? They would simply be diluting the output with a mass flow controller and zero air. The Authors are putting a lot of emphasis on obtaining a wide dynamic range of HONO mixing ratios, particularly those above the observed atmospheric range. Why?
Page 11, Line 295: The NOx decomposition is still occurring, the mixing ratios are simply below the detection limit of the monitor. Revise for accuracy.
Page 11, Line 297: The purities cited from these two works are the lower limits, when the sources were challenged to their limits or that of the instrumentation being used to determine impurities. While that is also the case with the value being discussed here, perhaps an additional point to make is that all three of these sources have >98 % purity when operated under ideal conditions in the environmentally relevant range of outputs? This would be a more balanced evaluation.
Page 11, Lines 300-301: Give quantitative advantages. These do not seem particularly specific. The Authors point out limitations in the discussion that impedes some of these statements (e.g. reagent consumption rate can be a major drawback). Also, for instruments like a ToF-CIMS utilizing CH3I reagent ion chemistry, the RH variance in the calibration flow would make the calibrations more difficult due to the water-dependence of the ionisation scheme.
Page 11, Lines 302-304: This is by far the biggest contribution of this source to the field. Should be the first point.
Page 11, Lines 330-331: Yet again, atmospheric mixing ratios of HONO are typically below 5 ppbv. This systematic evaluation of the system by exclusion of the atmospherically-relevant mixing ratio range is not reporting the true performance of the system. Please revise throughout the manuscript to provide performance metrics for the data collected at only 5 ppbv and lower.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-2021-332-RC3 -
AC3: 'Reply on RC3', Jörg Kleffmann, 20 Dec 2021
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