Articles | Volume 17, issue 3
https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-17-921-2024
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Long-term aerosol particle depolarization ratio measurements with HALO Photonics Doppler lidar
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RC1: 'Comment on amt-2023-37', Anonymous Referee #1, 25 May 2023
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Viet Le, 29 Aug 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on amt-2023-37', Anonymous Referee #4, 31 May 2023
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Viet Le, 29 Aug 2023
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AR by Viet Le on behalf of the Authors (26 Sep 2023)
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ED: Publish as is (02 Oct 2023) by Vassilis Amiridis
AR by Viet Le on behalf of the Authors (29 Nov 2023)
The manuscript submitted by Viet Le et al. presents long-term measurements with several Doppler lidars in Finland for the purpose of depolarization measurements of atmospheric aerosol.
It is one of the first studies (if not the first) presenting a long-term study of depolarization ratio of aerosol observed by a Doppler lidar – which is very valuable. The remote locations in Finland make the result rather representative for less populated areas (even if station is characterized as semi-urban) and thus I see a high potential for follow-on studies in other regions. With the techniques and methods described in the manuscript, also other HALO Doppler Lidar in different region of the world can hopefully be utilized for future studies and thus collect a valuable data set. Thus, I consider this study pioneering and paving the road for other groups to do so similar.
The paper is relevant for the scientific community and well written and mostly well organized. Argumentation is logical and reasonable and it is worth publishing. The content would have been sufficient to for 3 publications, and sometimes is very technical, but I consider all these information as very valuable.
However, I have some minor comments, which are needed to make the excellent results better understandable (and reproducible) for the broader community of AMT and not only (Doppler) lidar experts. Sometimes, after addressing these points, the manuscript can be published.
General comments:
Therefore I recommend, either to show the formula for the particle depol, indicating why you can neglect molecular contributions, or a proper referring to other publications. This starts already in the abstract, while you are stating the bleed trough is sufficient to measure particle depol
Figure 2a:
The depolarization ratios below the cloud base are significantly scattered, with values of -0-4 and + 0.07. Giving this plot, I could doubt the depolarization measurements in low SNR regimes. Can you comment on this?
Aerosol indicator description:
As you refer many times to Figure S3, I would prefer to include in in the manuscript. On the other hand, you never refer to Fig. 3 a – c. Please find a compromise! I think it would be helpful, to use the plots 3a-c for explaining the typing methodology together with plot S3.
Post processing:
Is mainly very technical and hard to understand as sometimes further information is missing. Is it possible to have a more detailed part of the description in the appendix and shorten the technical part in the manuscript? For example, move lines 212 to 229 to the appendix and extent the description a bit, so that other groups with HALO lidars can use similar approaches.
Specific:
line 43: Seems to be wrong reference for narrow Calipso swath?
Line 46: Please rephrase sentence.
108: Remove brackets from citation
109: Why do you need the focal length to determine the attenuated backscatter, please briefly explain or give proper reference.
166: I find this abbreviation “AI” quite challenging, giving the fact that it is often used for artificial intelligence. Consider to change to AIA?
178: Here you use a threshold of 10^-5.5 for aerosol cloud discrimination. Later you use 10^-7 for precipitation. This is a bit in contradiction. Can you explain better?
179: Please also briefly describe what you mean with a median and maximum kernel. It is yet ambiguous.
210: “….were averaged for 1 hour before calculating delta_aerosol.”
So basically delta_aerosol is just the average of delta_particle in aerosol only regions, correct? Please write exactly what you mean.
213: “…a weak 2nd order polynomial shape (c.f. Manninen et al., 2016) appears in SNRco and SNRcross…” : From the given reference, it is not clear what is meant with second order polynomial shape appearing in SNR. Please describe in more detail. Does it mean electronic oscillations in the signal? It becomes more clear later, but should be clearly described here.
215: I do not understand this part of the sentence: “…2021), this component of the noise floor has been accounted for through a fit to SNR profiles, …” Please rephrase!
220: What is “with wavelet bior2.6.” ??? is this a fragment or a reference missing?
221: “Next, the variance of the noise in the SNR is removed by applying a hard threshold shrinkage function using universal thresholding (Donoho and Johnstone, 1994) to the approximation and detail coefficients from level 1 to 4.” Please explain in more detail. This is not understandable. For example, what is level 1 to 4? Was never introduced.
Line 234: A reference to table 3 would be already great here.
Figure 4d: Please enlarge the scale of x-axis so that one can see the depol values in the ice cloud (is it an ice cloud?). I.e. from 0 to 0.6
Figure 4b-d are never referenced. Please do so at the appropriate places in the text.
244: 2.3.1 subsection is introduced, but there is no 2.3.2 Please check sectioning in whole manuscript.
261: Sentence not understandable without further background. What “chains” shall converge? What are sampling chains? Please expand description here (or more in appendix)
Sec 3.2.: very interesting and impressive results!
421: Any idea what kind of aerosol this can be in September with high depol? I consider for Pollen it’s too late, is it?
431: The minimum range of the lidar is stated later, but it would be good to give the values already here and maybe even in Tab. 2.
438: 3.4.1 subsection is introduced, but there is no 3.4.2 Please check sectioning in whole manuscript.
465: The case studies come a bit out of nothing, but are very interesting. However, please consider to move them to before the long-term analysis....Furthermore, do you have one case study with low depol in summer?
472: To compare the delta_aerosol to dust values at other wavelengths is a bit critical. Especially, as you later show similar values for Pollen. Furthermore, some studies show that depol ratio for dust is highest in the visible and is decreasing towards longer wavelengths (1064 nm). Can you comment on this? Furthermore, do you have any more information/proof for dust presence in this case study? E.g. DREAM or CAMS model prediction? Evidence from nearby lidar stations?
This also reminds me, that it would be interesting if you ever have observed a lofted aerosol layer in summer with low depol? Smoke or so? Or is your depol always high?
500: Please also state here already somewhere that you developed a complete new AIA for HALO systems. This is really remarkable.
515: “The overall delta_aerosol are 0.13 ± 0.08 in Hyytiälä, 0.11 ± 0.07 in Vehmasmäki, 0.09 ± 0.07 in Utö and 0.07 ± 0.08 in Sodankylä.”: Interesting! This means that in contrast to many other places in the world, you are mostly prone to Pollen (continental background) in summer in case of clear sky. Maybe worth stating
542: Code availability: It would be great if you could make a release on github and publish this frozen version (referred to in this publication) on zenodo or similar for getting an DOI.
545: Data availability: Lidar data are available upon request from the authors. Such statements are not anymore acceptable. Please consider to provide the data via a data portal.
Supplement:
Caption Table S2 need to be expanded: More information needed! What is shown? The increase in data points? Not clear now.
Caption Table S4 need to be expanded: More information needed: Linear regression between what? I.e. what is y, what is x? What about an offset? What is p what is R squared?
Please check all captions in supplement!