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https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-18-6681-2025
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Evaluation of cloud height, optical thickness, and phase retrievals from the CHROMA algorithm applied to Sentinel-3 OLCI data
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The authors have made a thorough, comprehensive yet clearly explained evaluation of OLCI CHROMA cloud parameter retrievals.
I recommend publication with only minor remarks.
Introduction. The authors have used ARM ground-based data but not ACTRIS Cloudnet ground-based data (https://cloudnet.fmi.fi/, Illingworth et al. (2007)), although this network delivers very similar data, among which CTH and cloud phase data, and is also used for satellite cloud product validation (e.g., Compernolle et al., 2021, Vinjamuri et al. (2023)). Please provide some rationale why ACTRIS Cloudnet was not considered. Please also include a paragraph with references on how ARM and Cloudnet was previously used in satellite cloud product validation.
Page 6, line 148. Please provide some numbers how the CTP 60 mb uncertainty goal translates to CTH uncertainty. This is currently provided on page 13, line 273, but it should (also) go here.
Page 6, line 148. Please provide reference for standard atmospheric profile.
Page 6, line 149. Where do these numbers for COT uncertainty goals 25%, 35% come from? Also from Werdell et al 2019? Please indicate.
Page 7, line 181 and page 8, line 1. 'the retrieved CTH'. Retrieved by the satellite, right? Please make more clear by stating 'where h is the CTH retrieved by the CTH'
As indicated by the authors, the CTH retrieved by the satellite can have an error, in which case the parallax correction will also have an error. Have the authors considered to combine the CTH of ARM (which is the ground-truth) with the viewing zenith angle of the satellite to estimate the correction? Is there a reason why this was not considered?
Table 1 and 2. This table has 3 main categories: 'COT<3', 'single-layer COT>=3', 'multi-layer COT>=3'. However, from fig 3 it is clear that there is also a strong dependence on CTH.
I would therefore propose to have within each category, below each row with 'All', a row for low clouds (e.g., CTH<3 km or CTH<4 km) and a row for high clouds (CTH >3 km or > 4 km).
Page 12, line 255-256. "while the ARM data may be sensitive to lower cloud droplet concentrations (and retrieve a higher top) than satellite remote sensing, this would not account for a multi-km error"
In Sneep et al. (2008), figure 1, large differences are obtained between the cloud pressure from MODIS based on thermal infrared, and those based on retrieval using the O2 A absorption, using O2-O2 absorption and rotational Raman scattering.
Given these large differences, is it therefore not imaginable that the CTH negative bias of OLCI CHROMA is because it is based on O2 A absorption? Note also that in the S5P TROPOMI Cloud routine validation, large discrepancies are obtained between the cloud top height from OCRA\ROCINN CAL (based on O2A absorption) and that of Cloudnet (Lambert et al., 2025, table 2).
Page 20, line 379. The authors motivate why they use CTP instead of CTH. Still it would be good to have results for CTH as well, as it gives a point of intercomparison with the OLCI vs ARM comparisons. In particular, it would be interesting to have a figure similar to Fig 3 (CTH difference vs CTH) for OLCI CHROMA vs MODIS and vs SLSTR, to check if discrepancy increases with CTH.
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