Articles | Volume 19, issue 21
https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-19-7255-2026
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A new method to estimate the characteristic raindrop size from space-borne Doppler radars: validation with the Monte Carlo model
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The manuscript presents a retrieval method to retrieval mass-weighted mean diameter (Dm) using satellite-based nadir pointing Doppler radar measurements. The retrieval method uses the attenuation-corrected reflectivity, measured Doppler velocity, and a constrained specific attenuation (k in dB/km). The simulated DSDs are produced with a Monte Carlo model to produce convective rain DSDs with extreme rain rates (exceeding 200 mm/hr) using a coalescence and breakup parameters. While I would like to see Dm and vertical air motion retrieved from satellite Doppler radar measurements, I believe the current manuscript is not up to the standards of Atmospheric Measurement Techniques. My specific comments are listed below.
1. Since the proposed Dm retrieval method uses the measured Doppler velocity and assumes DSD gamma shape parameters, the air motion should also be retrievable. Getting the air motion correct is critical for the Dm retrieval. Why was air motion retrieval not discussed?
2. The manuscript described the retrieval method for observations at Ku-band and at W-band. The retrieval at Ku-band is appropriate because Ku-band radars can observer through convective rain. However, the proposed retrieval method for radar observations in the W-band is not practical. The specific attenuation is greater than 10 dB/km at W-band for Dm between 0.5 and 2 mm (See Fig. 7). For the convective rain simulated in Section 2, with rain rates exceeding 200 mm/hr, the W-band signal will be extinguished before reaching the surface, preventing a retrieved specific attenuation using the surface return. If the manuscript wants to convince the reader that the method is possible at W-band, then the simulation needs to start with attenuated reflectivities (also known as measured reflectivities). The manuscript would need to estimate the attenuation-corrected reflectivities and then perform the retrieval.
3. There are several assumptions that need to be removed, or accounted for, before this retrieval method can be taken seriously. Specific assumptions:
a) Attenuation-corrected reflectivity Ze assumed to be known beforehand. (Line 339)
b) Look-up table (LUT) is based on a fixed mu and a gamma shaped distribution.
c) The Ze vs. Doppler velocity curve with the over-plotting of the k and Dm grid (Fig. 8) are based on fixed mu gamma distribution, and the retrieval accuracy depends on selecting the correct LUT (Line 418).
4. Line 418. “This figure suggests that selection of appropriate LUT is critical for accurate estimation.” How is the appropriate LUT going to be determined? If we knew the DSD shape, then the retrieval would be trivial.
5. Fig. 9 and 11. Both figures show the first and final Dm estimates are underestimated relative to the model Dm. As an example of numbers from Fig. 11, it looks like Dm_est ~ 1.25 mm and Dm_model ~ 1.5 mm for Est 2. We can use Fig. 10 to see the change in Doppler velocity for Dm changing from 1.25 to 1.5 mm is about 1 m/s, for all three models assuming mu = 1, 3, or 12. This is a very large error in vertical air motion. And this is in a rain region assumed to have zero air motion (see the text on Line 396, “The vertical velocities of the atmosphere are zero for most data.”) This suggests that the air motion is not being removed correctly from equation (3) and the error is not only in Dm but for the air motion estimate, also.
6. How does the retrieval work for the profiles with upward vertical air motion of 10 m/s? If the Dm were 1 mm, the zero air motion Doppler velocity would be about 5.5 m/s downward (see Fig. 9), and the measured Doppler velocity (Vp) would be about +4.5 m/s upward, and off the axis of Fig. 9.
7. Can the manuscript provide a scatter plot retrieved air motions vs. modeled air motions?
8. In step 3 of the retrieval algorithm (Line 370), it states “If estimated k differs from the measured value, estimate Dm and k again …” How is the “measured k” determined in this manuscript from the simulated DSDs? How is the method used in this manuscript different than how the satellite algorithm would estimate k from PIA?
9. In Fig. 2 shows that the simulation produces convective rain rates of 200 to 400 mm/hr. What is the specific attenuation at Ku- and W-bands for these extreme rain rates? What are the LWCs for these extreme rain rates? How representative are the specific attenuations shown in Fig. 7 for LWC = 1 g/m^3 when the simulated rain rates are over 200 mm/hr?
10. From the description of the retrieval algorithm (Lines 366 to 374), it appears that the red dots shown in Fig. 8 are not used in the retrieval algorithm. Is that correct? A more appropriate figure would be one without the red dots, because the iterative procedure is moving around the Dm vs. k grid box using Ze, Vp, and an unknown measured k. Please clarify this for the reader because as shown, the reader may think the red dots are used in the retrieval.
11. Line 759. In the summary section, “For Ku-band, the effects of air motion were well removed, …” I do not think the manuscript showed that air motions were well removed. The manuscript did not present any figures showing the accuracy of retrieving air motion.
12. At Ku-band, specific attenuation has been shown to be a good estimate of rain rate. So, can this method be described as a modified Z-R-Vp method?