Articles | Volume 19, issue 18
https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-19-5905-2026
© Author(s) 2026. This work is distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.
On the origin of the twilight color index maximum and its application to cloud-height retrieval
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- Final revised paper (published on 17 Sep 2026)
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2026-2295', Bernhard Mayer, 10 Jul 2026
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ED: Publish as is (01 Sep 2026) by Luca Lelli
AR by Daniel Toledo on behalf of the Authors (08 Sep 2026)
The author introduces a new method to detect optically thin high clouds from twilight observations at a single wavelength. The method is based on previous work by the same author where they used the color index calculated from the ratio at two wavelengths. It can often be confirmed by visual experience after sunset, when optically thin cirrus clouds light up in bright red and become visible, and the reason for this coloring is nicely explained in the manuscript. The new method which uses only one wavelength rather than the ratio of two, is clearly explained. Sensitivities to all relevant parameters are tested. The method is based on a fast single scattering model which is verified by an accurate Monte Carlo model. I recommend publication of the manuscript after considering the following minor points:
- The description is quite long, and the main points of the manuscript are sometimes hidden by the wealth of equations and information. One way to improve that would be to shorten the first section which deals with the two-wavelengths method and focus on the new part, the single wavelength method
- line 85: it is argued that cloud layers extending over hundreds of km are unrealistic. This is relevant because of the long path of the radiation through the atmosphere. While it is certainly correct that the same cloud extending over hundreds of km is unrealistic, but the long pathlength in fact implies that the detection at one place can be affected by high clouds several hundred kilometres away. This would have an effect on the detection efficiency of the method because the absence of an observation of a cloud above the observer could either be caused by (1) actually no cloud being there, or (2) a distant cloud blocking the path of the radiation on it's long way to the observer
- Figure 1: The normalisation of the CI curves helps to better plot them on the same axis? In principle I would prefer the non-normalised curves because they would illustrate the "red-ness" of the sky. Also the sharp drop is puzzling. It is explained later in the text but it would help to have a brief explanation of the reason for the sharp drop towards larger SZA.
- line 215, eq 16: true, but a hint that this directly follows from the evaluation of the derivative of the ratio in eq (4) would be helpful
Figure 7: I was a bit surprised that water vapor was not included. Water vapor has strong absorption bands in particular in the right red block which is nearly free of absorption by NO2 and O3. Most of the water vapor is located in the atmospheric boundary layer between 0 and 2km but the zenith radiance has to pass through it in any case.
Figure 12: It wasn't very clear to me here that you look for the crossing between the Rayleigh and the total curve to identify cloud height. Maybe it is mentioned in the text and I missed it but you may mention it directly when you describe Figure 12 in the text.
In the Conclusions I was wondering if you could give a lower threshold for the optical thickness of the clouds to define a detection limit? You study a number of optical thicknesses up to 0.3 but I'm not sure about the lower end.