Articles | Volume 18, issue 23
https://doi.org/10.5194/amt-18-7129-2025
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A novel machine learning retrieval for the detection of ice crystal icing conditions based on geostationary satellite imagery
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Summary
This paper describes a method for assessing the likelihood of ICI derived from geostationary satellite observations and derived products, coupled with cloud water content estimates derived from the CloudSat/CALIPSO-based DARDAR product. ICI and HIWC often occurs within deep convection, though it has also been observed within mid-latitude frontal cloud bands, and represents a significant hazard to aviation. Machine learning identified the most important metrics for diagnosing ICI that are combined to estimate a (daytime only) ICI/HIWC likelihood for the MSG SEVIRI imager, that has been validated with a subset of DARDAR not used in model training. Performance is fairly comparable to existing methods, though with slightly weaker validation stats. The product is then validated with DARDAR and compared with a small sample of European ICI events encountered by in-service Lufthansa aircraft.
The authors have a clear understanding of the ICI/HIWC hazard, existing satellite-based methods from the literature focused on diagnosing ICI/HIWC, machine learning best practices, and the most appropriate geostationary parameters for diagnosing this hazard. The paper is clear and well written. My concerns with the paper begin with the exclusive focus over Europe. Convection over Europe is relatively infrequent compared with Africa or the tropical Atlantic and typically weaker (with warmer tops) than these regions. Figure 3 shows several African/Atlantic Lufthansa ICI events that could have been studied, which if included would increase confidence in the method’s global applicability. DARDAR likely viewed many intense storms over Africa as well that would serve as excellent training for the model. Another concern is the fact that there is no attempt to try to develop/validate a model that can operate at night. Aside from tau and visible reflectance, all other parameters are available at night. I would like to see a night-time product demonstration. Third, there was an international HIWC/HAIC field campaign based in Cayenne, French Guyana in 2015 that was within the SEVIRI field of view. IWC data was collected at 5 sec intervals from 2 aircraft which would be an extremely robust dataset for model validation. The authors should explore this data as it has been a number of years since collection and the data should be freely available by now. I have a number of other more minor comments/concerns listed below
Given that the paper and its writing are of high quality, but due to the significant concerns mentioned above, I say the paper is acceptable but with major revisions to address these concerns.
Specific Minor Comments/Concerns
Sections 2.1.1 and 2.1.2, the differences between CIPS and APICS, and the ramifications of these differences on the analysis are not very clear. I see both produce optical depth but you use the optical depth from one model for water cloud and the other for ice cloud. Additionally it is not explained why you are not using the cloud product data operationally generated by EUMETSAT which would make your method more easy to apply by others in the community.
Section 4.1, I don’t think you need to use paper space to define very commonly used validation metrics. You could simply cite the Wilks meteorological statistics book and move one Wilks, D. S., 2006: Statistical Methods in the Atmospheric Sciences. 2nd ed. International Geophysics Series, Vol. 100, Academic Press, 648 pp.
Validation stats in general, it would be interesting to see the validation applied to > 1.0 g m-3 data in addition to > 0.5 as the higher value is likely to be more consequential for aircraft.
Figure 7 and many other mapped data figures (i.e. Figure 10), the mapped product is very hard to see details of. For Fig 7, I recommend you make the map much larger and place below the curtain plot data. For Fig 10, consider enlarging the graphics as I cannot see details when printed out on paper.
Figure A.3, there is an extremely odd look to the HIWC product with a discontinuity at 49.3 N latitude. What is the reason for this? Figure A.7 has an odd diagonal discontinuity too.
All Figures in Appendix, what is the purpose of plotting the wind information on the maps? It seems like an unnecessary detail that adds clutter to the map.